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#101 OFFLINE   hubel458

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Posted Jul. 24 2016 - 12:09 AM

Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver
 
wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.
 
Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga  one BPI has.
 
 
helixseal.jpg  
 
 
 
Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.
 
It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading, 
 
by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a 
 
Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported 
 
the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us,  through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB. 
 
 
spooksar.jpg  
 
 
 
That action similar to  Lawton we had and neighbor got,  that won the King Of The
 
2 Mile shoot at Whittington,  with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,
 
 from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right. 
 
He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..
 
Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED
 
 
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Posted Aug. 08 2016 - 09:54 AM

Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with
 
Bertram and got the  run of  full length  12ga From Hell cases done.
 
 Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims. 
 
Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email -----   
 
 b.bertram1@bigpond.com    ...... 
 
 
 
 
 
Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell Fitzpatrick's win.......
 
 .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets. 
 
Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,
 
 Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms
 
 muzzle brake. Lawton  Action. Lethal Precision  his own  gunsmith  shop,  will make
 
these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..
 
 
Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target, 
 
a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.
 
The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps). 
 
 
 
mitch3.jpg 
 
 
Here is  585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy  Varmint Stock. These are super strong.
 
The  butts of these can easily be weighted.  Couple guys doing them.......  Ed
 
 
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Posted Oct. 02 2016 - 06:15 AM

Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan 
 
Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.
 
12gavale.jpg
 
 
Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering
 
for our case as it came from production line,.
 
585bbstamp.jpg
 
 
 I like Hogue stocks,  but they aren't made for singleshots.
 
We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and  585HE.
 
Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted
 
a Hogue  1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and 
 
handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,
 
 
buttnef.jpg
 
 
Here is picture of  585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat
 
375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed
 
 
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Posted Oct. 02 2016 - 06:41 AM

Those cases look great, love that head stamp. Although I still love that 375 Warlord.


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Posted Jan. 07 2017 - 04:27 PM

Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.
 
 
Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
published  in Oct, now out for sale,
 
cotw585.jpg
 
 
We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made  by necking down our 585 HE.
The other couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different 
shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the other one...Got a bunch
guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. King of 2 mile
shoot last year really got the interest booming for  375 necked from our case,
 
Here's how we size and seat 375 HE, a simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed 
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
 pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.
 
I do primer work separate, not in the press.That way I can clean pocket, check
flash hole,....... SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.
 
When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
 held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.  About  .35" down.
 
So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,
 
Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff  same thread,
 reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,
 
After priming, loading in the powder charge, we  carefully start(boat tail makes it easy) 
 bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
 perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating 
bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.
 
These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice 
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special  dies. 
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.
 
OVER 900 375HE  cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another 
 bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more. 
 
All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed
 
 
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Posted Feb. 01 2017 - 08:39 AM

Here is picture of  one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in
 
Africa with  our 24ga FH he did on a NEF,  in 2nd picture
 
 
brianbuff.jpg
 
 
briangun.jpg
 
 
Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that
 
are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind
 
from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600  on
 
another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere, 
 
We  also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with
 
lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700, 
 
Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed
 
to get that, and have info where to get powders.  Reamer prints are
 
at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed
 
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Posted Mar. 12 2017 - 03:33 AM

Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing  585 HE
 
they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from
 
ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel  would be
 
 over  2900,  14000 ft lbs with full load..
 
585blast.jpg 
 
 
 
Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left.
 
Middle case is with 330 gr, right case is  400gr bullet.
 
375hecases.jpg 
 
 
Here is picture of out 375HE testgun, in heavy t-hole stock.
 
So far 340 gr to 3700 and 360gr 3600.
 
testgun.jpg 
 
 
Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die, 
 
test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm specs. 
 
When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys
 
Soon will have  408 HE with specs set up also, for guys,
 
Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for
 
our  bigger case .Ed
 
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Posted Apr. 25 2017 - 06:56 PM

Here is picture of a brake on 12ga FH with real hot loaded
hollowbase lead slug, brake needed more clearance
for  the expanding slug.
 
bbrake.jpg
 
 
Here is the  before and after of  375 HE cases,    
 2 on left necked,  2 on right formed in hydro die after necking..
 
beforehydroafter.jpg
 
Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left we are experimenting
with, going to see if we can make the ultimate 416 ELR case.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, a long one pictured.
Holds over  280 gr ball powder under bullet. In the picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 HE, 4th 378 WEA.
 
416 HSM will get 400gr to 4100 plus without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3800 plus , it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and srtill  be under 50 lbs.
A lot of the 2 mile type shoots are adopting 50lb limit. 
 
416hsm.jpg
 
Here is picture of  the 416 HSM fireformed once, 
next to bmg case we make it from and as we 
improve wildcatting process next few weeks 
some specs may make small changes, now from 
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..
 
 
hsmbmg.jpg
 
 
Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, , 
Going to do lot more cases for these 2 sizes also,
Questions, PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. 
 
Here are final specs for 416 HE.
Length 3.32",  belt diameter  ,655",  base dia  .635" , 
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed



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Posted Jun. 26 2017 - 06:58 PM

Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for  28ga and
410 ga and  32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases.
They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with
our 585 case in the action.Guys can get  Magtech brass cases or have
 RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE,
410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc..
 
585mosin2.jpg
 
Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
enough thickness in the sides to handle  high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting 
work set up so we can do at least hundred a month.
We have lots of 585s,  375HEs,  416 HEs,  408 HEs.....
And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers.
 
hsmsect.jpg
 
Here's comparison of  416 target cases, 1st  416 HE,  have whole bunch. 
Second is model of what I'd have made  on  medium machine, if I could,  
the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of  230gr.. 
Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting bmg
cases, And if  had run long cases, make longer 375 HE necking down 416 .. 
 
416heexp.jpg
 
 
Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
 Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in  
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very  similiar to 375HE )...
 It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide. 
 
Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,
 weekend 10-13th  at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE
Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed



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Posted Jul. 23 2017 - 09:02 PM

The 12ga FH case  now is in the new COTW book on
last  page in the wildcat section, I think page 324.
They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that   case....
 
 
The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,
 
has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,
 
on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..
 
416heexp.jpg
 
 
More info out now;  short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case
 proportions, too sharp of shoulders, too fast of powders...........
 and  debth of  the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture  below..
My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.
 
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Posted Jul. 23 2017 - 09:23 PM

Thanks once again for the update. I would like to see that 416HE in action, it definitely looks very capable. How does the 375 Warlord compare to the 416HE?
Lol, yeah I wuld say that 12ga needs a tad more clearance, hope no one was hurt.


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Posted Sep. 04 2017 - 09:53 PM

the 416 HE is .010" longer, 

Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made by necking our 585 HE big belted case.
 
416heprint.jpg
 
 
Here is picture of 375 HE left,  416 HE next,  416 HSM on the right..
 
pat1.jpg
 
 
Here, tentative specs,  416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass,
 
416hsmpic.jpg
 
 
 
A  375  HE,  with Lawton action, few are being done with those,Ed .....
 
lawton375.jpg



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Posted Oct. 09 2017 - 02:57 PM

A 585 HE ...shot  with moderate heavy load......
 
 
 
Here is a 375 HE target gun  set up, by Asteroid Precision...
 
375hehotrod.jpg
 
 
Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr bullet about 3450-3475,
 
bolt opened easily with one finger...And he's  just getting started
 
and is checking on  better powder, Ed..
 
 
 



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Posted Nov. 10 2017 - 11:47 PM

Here is recap simple setup  to get faster loads with 12ga sabots
 
& slugs, Example using break actions...., reaming  chamber
 
 in a 12ga break action to 3.5" with a 3.5"  12ga reamer, that isn't
 
 something needing special order, and use 3.5" plastic cases , or
 
get 3.5"  brass cases made. With mag shotgun primers and
 
our slower powder loads you can get a  quarter more speed,
 
which gives 50% more energy...
 
 
585 Hubel Express  video, 190ft/lbs recoil, heavy  load,  gun little light.....
 
 
 
Another view of  Asteroid Precision's.... 375 HE target gun,
 
375hehotrod2.jpg  
 
 
Here is our  416 HSM we are developing next to 416 Barrett, Ed
 
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Posted Nov. 11 2017 - 08:27 AM

OMG 190 ft lbs. Lol, my little 300wsm is at 27 in my rifle. The 600 Nitro Express is only 154 (12 lb gun)


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Posted Jan. 11 2018 - 11:55 PM

Here in picture of the cases, are shown the steps in making
 
our 416 HSM case, from BMG brass,, Ed
 
416process.jpg
 
 
We might have a company that is doing a bolt gun with an action
 
between BMG size and longer rifle actions used for 375 HE, 
 
375 Lethal, and Cheytacs.. To use for our  416 HSM without
 
having to do extreme rebating of the rim.
 
 
Here is picture of 620   416 hsm cases half done. Done on cnc ,
 
that slimmed them down, cut new rim and extractor groove. 
 
There are over 500 more at cnc getting done now, plus we  have
 
1000s more bmg cases we make them from, when needed..
 
This case is public domain and if anyone wants to make
 
them we can give the steps involved...Ed.
 
hsmcnc.jpg






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