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Posted Oct. 13 2017 - 09:50 PM

That was pretty amazing. When my daughter was a Girl Scout, they did a bunch of outdoor activities including hiking, camping, archery, etc. There's merit badges for archery and some areas of the country include shooting for which they also have merit badges. I don't know where that "cut up paper and learn to knit" bs came from.

Sorry, that's what it was described as by a person who said they had their daughter in the Girl Scouts. Nothing about camping, hiking, or anything of the sort. If they're doing that, then great, and I don't see the need to allow girls in the BSA. 




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Posted Oct. 13 2017 - 09:56 PM

It was the same way over 50 years ago. We had a rather large BSA camp outside Dallas and it joined a large GS camp. But the Bluebirds and Campfire Girls were hotter than the Brownies and Girl Scouts. Probably the uniforms.  :)




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Posted Oct. 13 2017 - 10:11 PM

The Girl Scouts do not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft the boy Scouts have.  http://www.girlscout...e_explorer.html

 

They have badges for dinner parties, new cuisines, netiquette, babysitter. There's a couple outdoor badges.




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Posted Oct. 13 2017 - 11:42 PM

The Girl Scouts do not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft the boy Scouts have.  http://www.girlscout...e_explorer.html
 
They have badges for dinner parties, new cuisines, netiquette, babysitter. There's a couple outdoor badges.

I'm sure they don't have the "same" as the boy scouts. 99% of the girls have no desire to do those things. So once again, it is catering to a very small percentage. More than likely it was a adult who is behind this, not some young girl who wants to camp more. Of course the girl scouts would not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft. BUT THEY DO GO CAMPING AND OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. This has nothing to do with that, it is all about destroying the difference between boys and girls, nothing more.


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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 06:00 AM

I'm sure they don't have the "same" as the boy scouts. 99% of the girls have no desire to do those things. So once again, it is catering to a very small percentage. More than likely it was a adult who is behind this, not some young girl who wants to camp more. Of course the girl scouts would not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft. BUT THEY DO GO CAMPING AND OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. This has nothing to do with that, it is all about destroying the difference between boys and girls, nothing more.

If 99% of girls have no interesr, then what is the big deal?


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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 07:07 AM

Local news story this morning Girl Scouts not going to allow boys to join. 

 

Surprised? 

 

You know I've said this before and will again, all this neuter boys empower girls social engineering is going come with a price.  Much of it, you see every day as its destroying the tradition family.  In normal life a child buries a parent, in war a parent buries a child.  In a stand up war with a draft, it will be a parent burying their daughter. 

 

I got a dose of how small the military is now this week.  I met a really nice and for that matter attractive young black girl her husband just retired from the Army.  We got to talking about forts and duty stations where we had lived in common that sort of thing.  Of course, my division is deactivated and the fort of over 30,000 active military closed.  Her husbands last duty station was Ft Knox.  I took basic there many years ago during the Vietnam War.  She said Knox and the surrounding area was such a ghost town or its former self that they were offering post housing now to civilian workers.  Man, did that drive home to me how devastated the military is.  Post housing in my day, you had to be E4, corporal or specialist, married, and served for two years to apply for post housing and when you did, any fort, there was a long waiting list and most didn't even get it. Average rank in my day was E6 to get housing.  They'd be deployed somewhere else before one would open up.  We got talking about Ft Sam and, of course, we both loved San Antonio and Ft Sam.  I was surprised to learn that the Academy there is now multi-service, Air force, Navy, Marines, and Army.   To put this in perspective, the Vietnam War at its height was somewhere around 500,000 troop deployment and we'd see in one month more casualties than the middle-east has seen in all its years.  Vietnam was more inline with Korea and both wars a drop in the bucket compared to WWII in troop deployment.  Just the numbers, its scary.  Mathematically, there's no way in Sam Hell we can fight a conventional war  backed by Super Powers without a Draft again and we're in historically the very same position we were prior to WWI and WWII. 

 

In the name of sexual equality and vote Democrat, the left is serving up your wives and daughters as cannon fodder while throwing your sons under a bus in life.  We condemn deadbeat fathers on one hand and create them systematically from gradeschool on.   When little Susie gets blown to pieces, we can all go "Whoopie" she was a Boy Scout.

 

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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 08:43 AM

Lots of bases have been closed, or consolidated.  It makes good economic sense to consolidate, if you ask me. Military bases in every state were the ultimate congressional pork barrel items.

 

I have a hard time figuring out how allowing girls to join boy scouts equates to base closings.




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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 10:47 AM

Why can't the BSA make decisions on their own that they think are in their best interests.  Why wouldn't we want girls to learn camping skills and woodcraft? These same girls may join the Army and Navy.

 

Times are a 'changing, and like every generation, as we get older, we complain about the younger folks who are now taking the leadership positions.  When they get old, they'll be complaining like we do, and wishing things were like they were in 2010, instead of all these newfangled and wrongheaded ideas in 2040.

 

My niece likes to camp and hike. She headed up the camping club at her university.  She was pretty good at it. She would have made a great scout. Her two brothers were Eagles. She could easily have done it. Why shouldn't she have had the chance to prove herself? There is no other organization in which she could have done that.

 

It seems to me that no one here is happy unless we are against any change.  This isn't 50 years ago. Boys aren't being encouraged to join scouts. 

 

It seems to me that people who don't want their kids to join scouts, just don't want their kids in scouting, for whatever reason. They think it's foolish, they tell their kids it's a waste of time, they laugh at kids in scout uniforms, they think organized sports are better, or they don't want to put in the time.  Those people aren't going to support scouting no matter what, so what they think about how a private organization operates is irrelevant and meaningless.

 

It's no different than people that complain about the NRA and what it does, but aren't members. 

 

Maybe this will turn out great.  Its a done deal now, so instead of hating everything, let's see what happens.

WOW.

I JUST got done making the exact same point in the NRA/bumpfire thread.




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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 10:48 AM

Lots of bases have been closed, or consolidated.  It makes good economic sense to consolidate, if you ask me. Military bases in every state were the ultimate congressional pork barrel items.
 
I have a hard time figuring out how allowing girls to join boy scouts equates to base closings.

I was wondering how it relates to military service at all?


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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 11:09 AM

I'm sure they don't have the "same" as the boy scouts. 99% of the girls have no desire to do those things. So once again, it is catering to a very small percentage. More than likely it was a adult who is behind this, not some young girl who wants to camp more. Of course the girl scouts would not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft. BUT THEY DO GO CAMPING AND OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. This has nothing to do with that, it is all about destroying the difference between boys and girls, nothing more.

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I think some people who have great and deserved emotional attachment to the BSA, but are also interested in a more progressive social policy, are having a struggle which always happens when your belief system runs smack into reality and you don't like the changes. 

 

IMO, this is not a discussion over logistics and what merit badges are going to be offered to what gender, 

but a larger societal question.  PC change for the sake of change does not sound like a good idea to me. 

 

The institutions that have made this country great are being taken apart one by one. 

I think people are tired of it. 

 

And I think some are very saddened to see what happens when the Left gets hold of an institution that is most beloved to them,

and they struggle with where their loyalties should be.  It is a terrible position to be in, but I don't think it is unusual as many people who consider themselves somewhat progressive, have to walk a fine line or choose sides now that the progressive elite have adopted a scorched earth strategy.  We have become a society that ridicules and wants to throw away the past, when there are so many things we have learned  that we need to bring with us into the future.. 




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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 11:31 AM

Would it benefit the WPGA, WNBA or others women's sports if men were allowed to play?


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Posted Oct. 14 2017 - 12:53 PM

The Girl Scouts do not have the same emphasis on camping and trailcraft the boy Scouts have.  http://www.girlscout...e_explorer.html

 

They have badges for dinner parties, new cuisines, netiquette, babysitter. There's a couple outdoor badges.

Once again, based on locale, there are several badges for various outdoor activities to include levels of hiking, camping, archery, and marksmanship, marksmanship safety, etc.




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Posted Oct. 16 2017 - 06:22 PM

Yep, crap utterly crap. As a former Cubmaster I'm done my boy will not be a part of the BS (no pun... ok) there are quite a few new organizations for young guys that will carry the torch.


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Posted Oct. 17 2017 - 06:22 AM

The answer is a simple four word statement: A Scout is Reverent.
Anything Christian related MUST be destroyed. And they will go to the ends of the earth to do it.

 

I think you make a very valid but frequently overlooked point.




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Posted Oct. 17 2017 - 06:30 AM

Local news story this morning Girl Scouts not going to allow boys to join. 

 

Surprised? 

 

You know I've said this before and will again, all this neuter boys empower girls social engineering is going come with a price.  Much of it, you see every day as its destroying the tradition family.  In normal life a child buries a parent, in war a parent buries a child.  In a stand up war with a draft, it will be a parent burying their daughter. 

 

I got a dose of how small the military is now this week.  I met a really nice and for that matter attractive young black girl her husband just retired from the Army.  We got to talking about forts and duty stations where we had lived in common that sort of thing.  Of course, my division is deactivated and the fort of over 30,000 active military closed.  Her husbands last duty station was Ft Knox.  I took basic there many years ago during the Vietnam War.  She said Knox and the surrounding area was such a ghost town or its former self that they were offering post housing now to civilian workers.  Man, did that drive home to me how devastated the military is.  Post housing in my day, you had to be E4, corporal or specialist, married, and served for two years to apply for post housing and when you did, any fort, there was a long waiting list and most didn't even get it. Average rank in my day was E6 to get housing.  They'd be deployed somewhere else before one would open up.  We got talking about Ft Sam and, of course, we both loved San Antonio and Ft Sam.  I was surprised to learn that the Academy there is now multi-service, Air force, Navy, Marines, and Army.   To put this in perspective, the Vietnam War at its height was somewhere around 500,000 troop deployment and we'd see in one month more casualties than the middle-east has seen in all its years.  Vietnam was more inline with Korea and both wars a drop in the bucket compared to WWII in troop deployment.  Just the numbers, its scary.  Mathematically, there's no way in Sam Hell we can fight a conventional war  backed by Super Powers without a Draft again and we're in historically the very same position we were prior to WWI and WWII. 

 

In the name of sexual equality and vote Democrat, the left is serving up your wives and daughters as cannon fodder while throwing your sons under a bus in life.  We condemn deadbeat fathers on one hand and create them systematically from gradeschool on.   When little Susie gets blown to pieces, we can all go "Whoopie" she was a Boy Scout.

 

Tj

 

Is it your opinion that the claim that the recruitment of an all volunteer U. S. Military can meet our needs is a sham ? 

If the economy continues to improve (i.e. tax cuts) historically one would expect recruitment rates to go down.

Do we need to spend more on incentives ?  Is it time to reinstate the Draft ?  




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Posted Oct. 17 2017 - 07:13 AM

 

Is it your opinion that the claim that the recruitment of an all volunteer U. S. Military can meet our needs is a sham ? 

If the economy continues to improve (i.e. tax cuts) historically one would expect recruitment rates to go down.

Do we need to spend more on incentives ?  Is it time to reinstate the Draft ?  

I guarantee you it won't.  At the height of the middle-east wars, it wasn't keeping up let alone some war superpower backed. 

 

The thing about war is you don't always get to pick the timing and when you don't its usually an enemy that did pick the timing when you are the least prepared for it.  The less prepared we are for war, the more likely war. 

 

We like to think technology will resolve this through both weapons and rapid deployment but you still need ground pounders to ferret them out of their holes. 

 

Yes economy, patriotism, social programs, government commitment , pay scales,  all those things influence recruitment.  Though I have never been a fan of the draft and will never advocate reinstating the draft, I think it a very bad mistake to discount there will never be a draft.  In fact, unless you are a believer almost like faith that man has become suddenly wise the world over, history tells us there will be.  Its just a matter of when and what circumstance.  I'll even go so far as to say the farther we get from those who remember the draft, the more likely. 

 

We've become a society that tends to look at the exception and not the rule.  Like many in this thread, they take the exception and make it the rule.  The exception becomes the majority even though its far from it.  We should be careful what we ask for.  Those who discard history are doomed to repeat it. 

 

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