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#1 ONLINE   andy2205

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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 04:08 PM

Was pulling down some .308 rounds after finding out the Winchester primers I had used to load them had issues. Two of the primers had pinholes that flame cut the face of the bolt in my Savage M10. While using a RCBS kinetic bullet puller and a #3 shell holder, one of the Winchester primers detonated. Pretty big surprise, never found the anvil or cup that exited the bullet puller through the hole in the shell holder. This is the first time I've ever had something like that happen while using the kinetic puller.

 

Be careful out there people. Always wear proper safety equipment. I know I have loaded thousands of primers in a universal primer without wearing googles, but I'll never pull down loads without them again.


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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 04:26 PM

Wow! I probably would have had to clean my drawers after that.


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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 05:21 PM

First, glad you are okay.

That will literally scare the crap out of you!

 

I gave up on kinetic pullers years ago. broke to many.

Use a Hornady cam lock bullet puller now.

As you stated, always wear the proper safety equipment when reloading.

 

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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 06:03 PM

First, glad you are okay.

That will literally scare the crap out of you!

 

I gave up on kinetic pullers years ago. broke to many.

Use a Hornady cam lock bullet puller now.

As you stated, always wear the proper safety equipment when reloading.

 

Thanks,

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+1 for the Hornedy puller. It doesn't bother to pull anything down.




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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 06:28 PM

Another +1 on the cam lock. I just got tired of whacking those suckers out.


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Posted Apr. 15 2018 - 07:53 PM

Thank God you weren't hurt Andy.  I beat my RCBS Kinetic to pieces.................and even though customer service replaced all the broken parts, it now sits on a shelf unused.  I prefer my Hornady Bullet Puller.  So much more simple.  No more kinetic pullers for me!




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 03:26 AM

I bought a Dillon kinetic puller, but never really liked it. I also use the Hornady cam lock. I also have an old RCBS unit too that uses a collet design.


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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 07:18 AM

Thanks for the reminder but I'm afraid its wasted on me.  At my age, I have no choice.  My arms aren't long enough to read a book anymore so in loading I use saftey bifocals. 

 

BTW, That's a new one on me too. 

 

BTW2, Switched from a kinetic to a vise pull system along time ago.  I use the one made like a flt pliers with a bunch of different bullet size holes per plier.  Its very simple to use.  You put the case in the case holder, bullet through the hole in your turret, clamp, then pull down.  Had to buy two of them to cover all the different calibers I load, but I like it.  Its very fast on a find a single issue and saves on my rework bucket load.  (I put my reworks in a can/metal bucket for when I can get around to them.)

 

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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 01:46 PM

Glad you're ok!


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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 04:03 PM

Any photos of the damage?




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 05:19 PM

Any photos of the damage?

 

There's no damage to the puller, just shot the primer out the end into low orbit. Would have sucked to be over the end of the puller. I'll post up some photos of the pin holed primers and bolt face when I get  a chance.

 

In other news, Winchester Ammunition customer service called today. Now playing phone tag. Have yet to speak with Savage about bolt repairs. Their website says about 3 weeks turn around time for repairs.




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 06:08 PM

Here is a pic of the flame cut bolt face and the pin hole in the Winchester primer.

 

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Pin hole in primer

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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 06:13 PM

Here is a pic of the flame cut bolt face and the pin hole in the Winchester primer.

 

New custom bolt face!

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Pin hole in primer

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You're lucky! I've seen extractors welded to the bolt by pierced primers.




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 06:27 PM

You're lucky! I've seen extractors welded to the bolt by pierced primers.

 

If you saw my post on the primers, this makes the 5th rifle at the gun club that has been damaged by these primers. There are 5 different known lot numbers so far. Winchester has made good on all the repairs so far. I hope that continues.

 

Just sucks that it happened now, I bought an Athlon Ares BTR 3.5~27x50 scope and had put 4 rounds out of six in a 1" dot at 100yds. It was while shooting the dot that the pinholed primers were found. I had planned on using the handloads for an F class match. I shot the match with some Lapua 167gr. HPBT rounds that were not handloads. With spotters, match rounds and some extras, I shot about 80 rds. Saturday. I used 20 up cranking the scope in at 100 and 300. Now I have at least 100 pieces of fire formed (I neck size only) and prepped brass. Know I have to see what load works with the new brass.




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 07:19 PM

Glad your ok.

And I expect a full write up on that scope!!! In very interested.


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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 07:50 PM

The one I saw that sucked the most was a firing pin that got welded to the bolt in the fired position on a Mauser style bolt. When that happens you can't even open the action.




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 10:39 PM

Anybody have the lot numbers handy? I have 3000 WLR primers on the shelf. I hope I have no problem lots. I may not shoot some of these for years.




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Posted Apr. 16 2018 - 11:00 PM

Can you post known lot numbers? I have a lot of winchester primers....


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Posted Apr. 17 2018 - 06:07 AM

These are the known lot numbers so far: EHL066G  EKLO71G, CLL555G, HCL506G, and DFL730G

 

If I learn of any more, I'll post them.




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Posted Apr. 17 2018 - 06:23 AM

Glad you are OK.

That makes for some scary monsters. 

 

Extremely important post, especially with all the hand loaders we have here. 




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