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#1 OFFLINE   bfausett84

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 11:07 AM

Went to a pawn shop a couple weeks ago and the guy had two Uzi blanks. I sat on it for a while and asked the wife to drop by and see if he still had them so I could go by the next day for one. She surprised me and bought one.
So any of you ever build one? Buddy at work has and he said except for minor welding it's easier than an ak build. And he builds lots of ak's. I'm thinking of building it in 10mm. Any thoughts or suggestions? I'm looking at this kit atm:
https://www.robertrt...TOCK-161p85.htm
Then of course needing to get the 10mm specific things. 9c3ab290856e6894e5fd1287501f90a2.jpg026ff6a121ce23a5d1b8a8d6981a6f85.jpg

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 01:03 PM

Century has everything but the barrel and receiver: https://www.centurya...ding-stock.html




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Posted May. 26 2018 - 06:25 PM

You should really consider building it in one of the calibers listed on the receiver. Hard to tell by your pictures, but that looks like a Group Industries receiver. They were marked HR4332 in three calibers. 9mm, .45, .22. The HR 4332 marking was Group Industries poke back at H.R. 4332 which banned the construction of new machine guns. Marked as such, they are a bit more collectable than others.

 

I have a Group Industries UZI built as a carbine. It's a heavy weapon, but functions flawlessly and is very accurate.

 

Here is a good source of parts: https://www.robertrt.../pc/UZI-c22.htm

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Edited by andy2205, May. 26 2018 - 06:27 PM.



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Posted May. 26 2018 - 07:34 PM

You should really consider building it in one of the calibers listed on the receiver. Hard to tell by your pictures, but that looks like a Group Industries receiver. They were marked HR4332 in three calibers. 9mm, .45, .22. The HR 4332 marking was Group Industries poke back at H.R. 4332 which banned the construction of new machine guns. Marked as such, they are a bit more collectable than others.
 
I have a Group Industries UZI built as a carbine. It's a heavy weapon, but functions flawlessly and is very accurate.
 
Here is a good source of parts: https://www.robertrt.../pc/UZI-c22.htm
Robert is a good guy to deal with.

It is the Group Industries. I didn't know they were rareish. I mostly just thought $50 might be a good deal for a fun project. That is if the welding isn't too difficult.

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 08:44 PM

Sounds like a blast for those with the equipment and the talent. 

 

This has the makings of an epic thread.

 

Good luck !

 

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 09:29 PM

Vector Arms on Group Industries receiver UZI carbine.

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Group Industries receiver markings.

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 09:33 PM

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Posted May. 26 2018 - 09:53 PM

The following is taken from SmallArmsReview.com and will give you an idea as to the lineage of your receiver.

 

"Birth of the Receiver

The heart of the Vector Uzi is its registered receiver. These started life in 1985-86 when the flats were stamped and folded by Michael Brown, at that time the President of Group Industries. This company had gained a reputation in the 1980’s as a converter of the semiauto IMI Uzi into select fire. As the price of the IMI Uzi increased and the supply became spotty, Michael conceived the idea of making his own US-version and not being dependent on a foreign supplier. Further, he would be able to directly influence the quality and end up with a superior product. As an inside joke, the Group Industries Uzi’s were engraved with the model number HR4332. Mike selected this number as it was the House of Representatives law enacted in May, 1986 which banned newly-manufactured machine gun ownership by private citizens.

To gain additional funding for this very ambitious project, Michael teamed up with Roger Small, head of Scattergun Technologies (And the old Automatic Weapons Company). Roger agreed to partially fund it for approximately $250,000 providing he (Roger) received specific delivery schedules and exclusive distribution privileges.

In the end, Group Industries could not meet the agreed upon terms and Scattergun Technologies sued for breach of contract. After a prolonged length of back and forth moves from both sides, Scattergun Technologies finally won a judgment against Group Industries in 1993. Meanwhile, Group sought protection from its creditors by filing for several reorganizations under Chapter 11. This only temporarily prevailed, however, and in early 1995 the creditors ordered the assets to be liquidated under Chapter 7. An auction was held on 24 August 1995 the likes of which has rarely been seen before (MAC auction in 1976) and probably not since.

Among the many items up for bid included forming/stamping dies, boxes of parts, several full automatic weapons, one WWII WC24 command car, two M5A1 light tanks and 3318 registered - and fully transferable - Uzi receiver frames. There were nowhere near enough spare parts to complete these valuable receivers and some people wondered if the buyer had bought the proverbial “pig in the poke”.

The mysterious high bidder was #221 who paid $265,000 for the 3318 Uzi receivers along with an additional 109 Post-86 DS receivers. Including the 10% buyer’s premium to the auctioneer, the total bill was $291,500; this meant the unit cost for all 3427 receivers was $85.06 each. The buyer’s name was Marcos Garcia and he was the representative for one Ralph Merrill...President of Vector Arms.

Now that Vector Arms had just entered the Uzi market in a big way, Ralph had to figure out: 1) where to access a very large supply of new parts to complete these 3318 fully transferable receivers; and, 2) where to find a production facility to assemble the Vector Uzi? These two items became a world class nightmare."

 

These receivers were destined to become FA weapons, they just didn't quit get there. Here is a link to the full article. http://www.smallarms...idarticles=2867




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Posted May. 26 2018 - 10:20 PM

Now I'm wondering if I should go buy the other just to hold onto.

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Posted May. 27 2018 - 12:01 AM

Now I'm wondering if I should go buy the other just to hold onto.

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Might not be a bad idea, considering they aren't marked "Vector Arms" in the middle of the receiver. I'd think there wouldn't be many like that floating around.







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