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#41 OFFLINE   Courageouslion

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Posted Feb. 18 2013 - 11:15 AM

Interesting post. I'm new to the 10 having purchased a 29 Gen 3 a few weeks back I was so impressed I purchased a 20 Gen 3. I worked a load up from an older book that I had read a post about and ended up with the same results that the book stated. There were no pressure signs to be seen and since it WAS an IMR load, I figured it must be "ok". 14.5 grains of 800x behind a Nosler 135 Gr JHP was quite impressive out of the Glock 29. The older books have more realistic 10mm loads in them. The newer ones seem to have toned it down to a 40 S&W +P. I've been using 800x because I have a lot, and have also used Blue Dot. I've never tried Power Pistol but recently bought a pound to check out. I always individually weigh my 800x loads especially if they are for defense. I'm into lighter bullets and hyper velocity. I have seen the difference on deer and stick with faster bullets vs slower heavier ones. I've noticed that the Gen 3 Glocks seem to have a better barrel for brass support than the older Gen 2 and Gen 1 guns. I remember my Gen 1 9mm really getting bulged sometimes with some of that surplus 9mm CZ stuff years ago. Not as bad as a Mac 10 though!  I'll be playing with the 10 for some time I'm sure because I can see some real potential as a defense firearm. Even though a good shot with a .22 is just as good for defense.




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Posted Oct. 12 2013 - 05:40 PM

I have been using Power Pistol in my 1911 and HK USP (both .45ACP) for quite a few years now, and I love the power and accuracy I get when shooting IDPA with it. I also love how clean it leaves the bore! When I ran across this thread, I was intrigued not only because the 10MM AUTO is my favorite pistol cartridge, but my Glock G20 is my daily carry piece as well.
Upon reading TaosGlock's testing of PP loads in the G20 & Kimber Eclipse, I knew it was time to put the "POWER" in my 10MM loads (was using 800x, AA7, and Blue Dot before). Amazing results. It's all I load now in 9mm, .40, 10mm, and .45ACP.
Now I decided to perform my own test using Taos' basic guidelines/load info The only thing about loading the 10MM AUTO for me has been a constant challenge for a certain "magic number" or "holy grail." This would be making a 200 grain JHP cross the 1300fps threshold with accuracy. Well, I finally accomplished the 200g/1300fps mark by "bumping" up the powder charge 0.2 grains in Test #2.2. It worked like a charm. As far as the Nosler 135 grain top load goes - IT IS A MONSTER. If an animal (or let's say, for the sake of argument, a human "bad guy")was hit almost anywhere (from the femoral area to the top of the head) - that 135 grain hollow point traveling at 1700+ FPS - carrying with it over NINE HUNDRED FOOT POUNDS of energy - would be so ferociously destructive and explosive (once it entered the wet tissue) - survival from a half-way decent shot of this type would be almost non-existent. Even if it hit the thigh, the speed & energy dump - PLUS fragmentation - would be so devastating that the femoral artery would almost surely be severely damaged (if not severed). This "MONSTER ROUND" is nearly reaching rifle territory, as far as ballistics go (with the exception of super aerodynamic rifle bullets, ala SMK's, Berger VLD's, etc. But who hunts or uses self-defense at 500-1000 yards? What are most gunfights confined to statistically? Like 10-20 feet?
 
The chronograph used was a CED Millennium II, set 10 feet from the bench/muzzle. The pistol used, of course, was my trusty Glock G20 with a Glock Factory 6" 'Hunting Barrel' that I had custom ported. The OEM spring/guiderod were used, except for tests #4.1 & #4.2, in which I switched to a 24-lb. Glock spring on a GlockMeister Tungsten guiderod (captured). All rounds were loaded on an RCBS PRO-2000 Auto-Indexing Model. Dies were RCBS Carbide .40S&W/10MM. All rounds were also run through a LEE Factory Crimp Die. *DT = Double Tap
 
TEST #1.1        LOAD # 10XTP180.1
 
Bullet - 180g Hornady XTP JHP
Case -  DT (NEW)
Primer - CCI #350 LPM
Powder - PP 8.6 g.
# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
VELOCITY:

1) 1359      2) 1359        3) 1357      4) 1335       5) 1330


Average Velocity - 1344 FPS:

Average Muzzle Energy:- 722 FT. LBS.

Extreme Spread:- 29 FPS
 
TEST #1.2             LOAD #10XTP180.2

Bullet - 180g Hornady XTP JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 9.6 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 

 VELOCIITY::

1) 1426        2)1396        3) 1431        4) 1416        5) 1430


Average Velocity  : 1420 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy  : 806 FT. LBS.

Extreme Spread  : 35 FPS

2 Sample Cases That Showed the Most Significant Change - IMG_7579_zpsa5fbb77f.jpg

IMG_0264_zps60239b0d.jpg 
 

TEST #2.1            LOAD #10XTP200.1

Bullet - 200g Hornady XTP JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 7.6 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
 
VELOCITY:

1) 1197        2)1188        3)1186        4) 1176        5) 1196


Average Velocity : 1189 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 628 FT LBS

Extreme Spread : 21 FPS
 
 
 
TEST #2.2         LOAD #10XTP200.2

Bullet - 200g Hornady XTP JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 8.8 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
VELOCITY:
 
1) 1298      2) 1314      3) 1307      4) 1310      5) 1305


Average Velocity : 1307 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 758 IN LBS

Extreme Spread : 16 FPS
 
2 Sample Cases That Showed the Most Significant Change : IMG_2134_zps9d1af575.jpg

IMG_4238_zpsd5ae7a31.jpg
 
 
TEST #3.1           LOAD #10GD180.1

Bullet - 180g Speer Gold Dot JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 8.5 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
 
VELOCITY :
 
1) 1308      2) 1340      3) 1337      4) 1332      5) 1331


Average Velocity : 1330 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 707 FT LBS

Extreme Spread : 32 FPS
 
 
TEST 3.2            LOAD #10GD180.2

Bullet - 180g Speer Gold Dot JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 9.6 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
 
VELOCITY :

1) 1408     2) 1419     3)1399     4) 1407     5) 1410


Average Velocity : 1409 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 820 FT LBS

Extreme Spread : 20 FPS
 
2 Sample Cases That Showed the Most Significant Change : IMG_0017_zpsdcc19eee.jpg

IMG_1158_zpsd6ab5cdf.jpg
 
 
TEST #4.1                LOAD #10NOS135.1
 
 
Bullet - 135g Nosler JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 10.6 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
VELOCITY :

1) 1641     2) 1648     3) 1643     4) 1624     5) 1691


Average Velocity : 1649 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 820 FT LBS

Extreme Spread : 67 FPS
 
 
TEST #4.2             LOAD #10NOS135.2

Bullet - 135g Nosler JHP

Case -  DT (NEW)

Primer - CCI #350 LPM

Powder - PP 11.6 g.

# of Rounds Loaded & Fired - 5
 
 

VELOCITY :

1) 1743     2) 1719     3) 1733     4) 1756     5) 1765


Average Velocity : 1743 FPS

Average Muzzle Energy : 911 FT LBS

Extreme Spread : 46 FPS
 
2 Sample Cases That Showed the Most Significant Change : IMG_6175_zps34b278f5.jpg

IMG_4836_zps2dd9b99e.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by supersonic, Oct. 12 2013 - 10:23 PM.



#43 OFFLINE   The_Shadow

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Posted Oct. 12 2013 - 08:33 PM

Great report Supersonic! thanks...

If you get a chance stop by the 10mmFirearms site; http://10mm-firearms.com/index.php

 

I did several pull-downs of commercial ammo, one in particular was Buffalo Bore 155gr TAC-XP which used Power Pistol, it was an interesting load...to say the least;

http://10mm-firearms...c-xp-pull-down/

 

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Posted Oct. 12 2013 - 09:52 PM

supersonic, thanks for adding your results of YOUR PP tests.
Nice addition and a good comparison to my loads!
Someday I will run a few of these thru my 14" Contender. Hold on tight!

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Oh, and welcome to 10mm Talk and the Armory!
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Posted Oct. 13 2013 - 09:28 AM

Great report Supersonic! thanks...

If you get a chance stop by the 10mmFirearms site; http://10mm-firearms.com/index.php

I did several pull-downs of commercial ammo, one in particular was Buffalo Bore 155gr TAC-XP which used Power Pistol, it was an interesting load...to say the least;

http://10mm-firearms...c-xp-pull-down/

Best regards! [ :tiphat:]

 

Thanks, brotha! I immediately (well, not with "right that very moment with a hard-on and foam coming from my mouth" urgency).....shortly thereafter checked out your 10MM forums and was very impressed. So much so that I made a few "adjustments" to my wording and cut / pasted the above 10MM Test over there! The only problem is that I can't figure out how to get pictures (like on here) to show up at all - just links to click on to get one to the photos. They are all from my Photobucket account (don't know why that should matter), but any advice or help in this area would be greatly appreciated. Then, I can go back and do some editing so that members don't have to resort to "clicking" on a F'n LINK to see the photos - they will already be in the thread, just like they are here. Thanks again, buddy!

 

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    TaosGlock, on 12 Oct 2013 - 7:52 PM, said:

    supersonic, thanks for adding your results of YOUR PP tests.
    Nice addition and a good comparison to my loads!
    Someday I will run a few of these thru my 14" Contender. Hold on tight!

    My10mm is on/near my side 24/7.

    Oh, and welcome to 10mm Talk and the Armory!
    TG
 

 

Thank you, my friend! As you were the inspiration for this whole PP/10MM "match made in handloading heaven" for me, along with the above test being done, which was directly influenced by your efforts. (Great test yourself, by the way!!! :segrin: )...Thanks for the warm welcome, too. I have been in the "trenches" here in California breaking my back making & sending faxes/emails/letters/phone calls to the Governor urging him to veto all the ridiculous bills that were authored by sub-morons and corrupt politicians to make Cali's already draconian gun laws even more so! Thankfully, we got a "semi-victory" (with the worst being Senator Darrell Steinberg's attempt to ban all future sales of all semi-automatic rifles (SB374) wich was -thankfully VETOED by Gov. Brown). I even rode my bicycle (a 7-mile round trip) up to the Capitol hand-delivering letters and petitions to him. ( I managed to do this 3 times in 2 weeks, totalling over 100 or so letters/petitions given directly to the Governor himself).

 

Brandon Combs of the FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition) and fellow brother over at my "home forum," www.calguns.net, showed up with over 60,000 hard copies of email-generated letters (urging the Governor to VETO any & all anti gun/ammo bills that were currently still sitting there, unsigned) and - according to a few unnamed sources -  "dumped 2-3 US Mail Transport Carts onto the Gov's desk. Or maybe it was just "dumped the entire contents into the Governor's mail pile"....I think the first description was used by a few for "dramatic effect" - the Governor of any Large State isn't quite as accessible as to be confronted at his desk, in his office. :snicker: ) Anyway, Jerry Brown made his decision(s) on Friday, the 11th, and vetoed the most damaging - to us - bills on his desk. I have a whole thread dedicated to it, full of pictures I took at the post office and a s**tload of great ones inside and outside the Capitol Building, including the entrance to the Gov's office, the Vietnam Memorial (outside), and the California/Sacramento Firtefighters' Memorial (dedicated - in large part - to those that left their families for NYC on that fateful day in September of 2001).. I would be happy to post it here, as I'm sure many members would love & appreciate it. Just say the word (also explain in which forum/section I should put it in) and I will post it here. It will get some tears goin', if not some 'lumps inm the throat.' :D:

 

Thanks, Toas.

 

Cheers,

 

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Edited by supersonic, Oct. 13 2013 - 09:45 AM.






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