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I have been to this town, Burns. It is a small, rural, ag-ranching-type of place with one motel, couple gas stations, maybe a hardware store, maybe a feed store, couple restaurants---you get the picture. These people are not the Bundy audience. I can't understand why they went there. Probably nobody there understands either.

 

 

They have a Big R, and as we in the Armory know, Big R is a fine establishment, with the best in firearm inventory management. :segrin:

 

I lived in burns for several years, and a large portion of my family still lives there. One of them was an employee of the Malheur refuge up until about 2 weeks ago, when he used the threats he and his family received during this fiasco to land an even better job elsewhere. Still has to live in Burns unfortunately though.

 

Most of the locals are completely opposed to anything the morons tried to do out there. The recall election for Grasty didn't work out in the Bundy supporters favor, he won with over 75% of the vote.

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There is no false narrative. These people do want the federal government dissolved. That's what is so strange to me, these people kill cops, judges, and try to pervert the system to their belief system. They're domestic terrorists. That black woman who shot it out with cops in the last few weeks? She was a sovereign citizen. They reject any form of authority, just like the Bundys do. They are dangerous, as most will take up arms against any LE or government representative. What the hell do you think the Bundys were going to do with those guns? They broadcast that while they were peaceful, they would resist any attempts to remove them, with deadly force. Their definition of self-defense includes killing cops that are enforcing the law.

 

And I don't give two shats whether or not they were using that refuge at the moment or not. A few weeks ago, scotto posted pics of a guy walking through his yard and messing with his stuff. There were calls for booby traps, killing the intruder, all sorts of things. But when a bunch of idiots take over a piece of public property, steal government owned vehicles, vandalize the land, and the buildings, destroy supplies and equipment used by the refuge and paid for by our tax dollars, it's some kind of freaking noble protest?

 

The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) is not without fault. They should have their practices reviewed and changed. There should be some light thrown upon what they do. However, everything the Bundy family has done, has taken away from regular people seeing what the BLM does. It then becomes about the sovereign citizens taking over property and goods that don't belong to them. If someone were to break into the Social Security office, I would arrest them for burglary. You'd give these idiots a pass because they say they're demonstrating? They were living out a masturbatory fantasy where they were so important that they were telling the feds what to do. Now that it's over, they need to accept responsibility for their actions.

 

 

The funny thing is, they kept saying the refuge was abandoned when they went out there that saturday and took it over. The reason it was abandoned? It was closed for the weekend.

 

My uncle was the firefighter manager out there until a couple of weeks ago, and when he heard that it was abandoned in the winter, he said he wished he would have been told, so he wouldn't have gone in to work for the previous 8 years during the winter.

 

In a perfect world, after Cliven goes down in the Bunkerville trial, they will kill off all of his cows and host a fish and wildlife employee appreciation BBQ, and then seize his land for what he owes and turn it into another refuge.

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I have been to this town, Burns. It is a small, rural, ag-ranching-type of place with one motel, couple gas stations, maybe a hardware store, maybe a feed store, couple restaurants---you get the picture. These people are not the Bundy audience. I can't understand why they went there. Probably nobody there understands either.

It was a target of opportunity. I've spent considerable time in Burns. It's a nice, quiet town, with very conservative leanings. The Hammond family was done wrong in a federal trial/sentencing. I think they got a raw deal, but understand why they got it. They were found guilty of a federal crime, and were given a plea deal. They served this sentence, and were released. The federal prosecutors appealed this, because the plea deal didn't fit the law, the sentencing guidelines. The appeal was successful, and they needed to go back to prison. While that was a shatty deal, they did commit the crime, and the Bundys went there to protest, but went over the top and committed felonies. Even if they had left when they were first told, it would have probably been no big deal.

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Probably. You're equating what the Bundys did with protesting, which it's not. And yes, if people protesting happen to be carrying a gun, and the gun is involved in a crime they commit while protesting, they should have sentences enhanced. Further. I don't think it's a good idea to protest with a gun, because if someone else does something stupid, they will lump you right in with it.

 

One more try.

I stated right off the bat I was not equating the two situations.

I was trying to move us off being fixated on Bundy and address some of the potential problems the Pro 2A movement may have

if we have to engage in civil disobedience to preserve our rights, yet maintain the right to defend ourselves.

 

Reading about Bundy gave me the idea that the 2A movement may run into some problems if Clinton is elected to due her stated interest in the Australia model of gun control.

The Bundy situation gave me insight into where the movement may be heading, and wanted to discuss the potential problems.

I was trying to expand the conversation.

 

I understand that Bundy and crew broke the law. Civil disobedience can at times involve breaking the law.

All I got in return was the parroting that the Bundy was a different animal, instead of following where I was trying to go. I wanted to discuss the future of the 2A

movement if we are forced to engage in civil disobedience, while maintaining the right to defend ourselves. The Bundy story simply provided the genesis of an idea I wanted to discuss about 2A demonstrations, civil disobedience, and the possession of firearms.

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I think that if gun owners have to resort to civil disobedience, the situation will be most un-civil, and the revolution has started. The only exceptions to that were some marches on state houses of people bearing unloaded firearms, ready to be arrested to be the test case, not looking for a shootout with the cops. That's the difference, the intent.

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Jury selection begins today! I wonder how many of the nutjob bundy supporters are going to get shut down hard by the US Marshals, for trying to talk to potential jurors?

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Jury selection begins today! I wonder how many of the nutjob bundy supporters are going to get shut down hard by the US Marshals, for trying to talk to potential jurors?

Probably quite a few. They're not all there. And I guarantee that the first attempt at a trial will end in a mistrial, because they'll start running their sucks in open court about "jury nullification".

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Poor Ryan is butthurt that the judge won't let him get rid of his standby counsel - http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/09/federal_judge_denied_oregon_st.html

 

 

 

Shawna cox is up to more of her insane bullshat - http://www.seditionists.com/bundy_or_1196.pdf

 

http://www.seditionists.com/bundy_or_1191.pdf

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You're missing the point.

 

I give up. My communication skills must be lacking.

 

John, I get what you are saying. It is unfortunately like splitting hairs to some.

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Wow, the prosecutors moved to dismiss the charges against Pete Santilli. I hope it is because he was informing on the Bundy's all along, and provided lots of good evidence (that was the rumor a while back, that he was an informant, according to some of the nutjob groups that support these loons). Oh well, there is always the Nevada trial to make sure he gets his.

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Judge Brown was quoted as telling Ryan Bundy "Mr. Bundy, the biblical principles don't apply." That ought to get the supporters of these morons all riled up, heh.

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Judge Brown was quoted as telling Ryan Bundy "Mr. Bundy, the biblical principles don't apply." That ought to get the supporters of these morons all riled up, heh.

 

I am not agreeing with what Bundy and crew did,

but maybe Judge Brown should take a tour of his own Court House to see some of the inscriptions on the walls and plaques that we all know are there.

 

In addition, maybe he should go to night school to learn the History of how this Republic, including the Judicial System, is based on biblical principals.

 

The human secularists would love all the Judaeo-Christian principals this country was founded on to just fade away like something written in disappearing ink, but the truth is the link is undeniable. If these amoral people in power continue to convince more of each generation that Faith in God

is something to be ridiculed and rejected, we shall continue to spiral downward. Our Founders made it very plain that the brilliant from of government they hammered out could and would not survive without adherence to these principles, and we are seeing the effects of what happens when people in power scorn and belittle the Believers, and more importantly, the moral code they hold dear.

 

Turning our back on these biblical principles is a major factor in the degradation of our society, and of our government.

Some people believe the Bible and Jesus Christ, the only Son of the Living God is a fairy tale.

But even those people can not deny that in the Bible, and in particular in the teacings of Christ, is a moral code that has no equal in its righteousness,

and yes, in it's simplicity. How much easier can it be than to "do unto others..." ?

 

How far we have fallen.

Edited by Retcop

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