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Media Spreads Fake News About GOP Shooter’s Weapon

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Don't say "everyone", because I'm just now weighing in. (a perfect example of what the press does)

 

What they should report is that initial unconfirmed reports are saying that it was an AK-47, instead of reporting it as a fact. By reporting unconfirmed information as fact, they are indeed posting fake news, and given their history of bias, they have every appearance of pushing a specific agenda. It is exactly why so few believe them anymore.

OK, fair enough to the first sentence.

 

The second part is harder to be sure of, because if a reporter is given information from , say, the local PD, I think they have a right to assume it's accurate.

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The second part is harder to be sure of, because if a reporter is given information from , say, the local PD, I think they have a right to assume it's accurate.

If they have to "assume" anything, then they shouldn't report it as fact.

Listen, they are all sensationalists intent on being the first to report anything, and in the process they ignore accuracy and disregard honesty if it doesn't fit their agenda. They can't wait for facts. After the LE in charge issue an "official statement", their opportunity to mislead goes away, but their early misrepresentation propaganda is already out there being devoured by the sheep. It isn't a mistake or simple misreporting. It is purposeful and deliberate, hence it is being called what it is....fake news.

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If they have to "assume" anything, then they shouldn't report it as fact.

Listen, they are all sensationalists intent on being the first to report anything, and in the process they ignore accuracy and disregard honesty if it doesn't fit their agenda. They can't wait for facts. After the LE in charge issue an "official statement", their opportunity to mislead goes away, but their early misrepresentation propaganda is already out there being devoured by the sheep. It isn't a mistake or simple misreporting. It is purposeful and deliberate, hence it is being called what it is....fake news.

That's our fault then. We always want the news immediately. Do you think we can go back tot he days of having the nightly news at 7pm? It's a race for ratings; who can be the first, and how are we going to fill up 24 hours of airtime.

 

However, I take issue with the assume reference. if a public official gives a statement. it is assumed that information can be relied upon. How else would one learn facts, especially in criminal investigations?

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OK, fair enough to the first sentence.

 

The second part is harder to be sure of, because if a reporter is given information from , say, the local PD, I think they have a right to assume it's accurate.

I once heard it reported that 9mm and 45mm casings were found at the crime scene. Now that's a gunfight! Edited by gmor

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Here is the stupidity on the part of those asking for more gun laws. This guy had a history of domestic violence and assaults and an assault with a firearm. in Illinois and was never charged and still had if Firearm Owners Card to purchase them with. All the laws in the world are not going to do any good if the police and courts let them walk.

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That's our fault then. We always want the news immediately. Do you think we can go back tot he days of having the nightly news at 7pm? It's a race for ratings; who can be the first, and how are we going to fill up 24 hours of airtime.

Then that too is up to us. To demand it, by being in touch with advertisers and networks, letting them know on no uncertain terms that we want accuracy first, and their view and opinions of politics not at all.

Remember when there were newspapers, and they had an "Editorial Page", which was where you looked if you wanted someone's opinion, and everyone respected that structure for the most part?

 

However, I take issue with the assume reference. if a public official gives a statement. it is assumed that information can be relied upon. How else would one learn facts, especially in criminal investigations?

Are you implying that all beat cops are "public officials", and all their words should carry the same weight with the press as their bosses?

There are valid reasons for debriefings and investigations prior to "official statements" to the press. It is largely due to LE's need to be accurate, else they get crucified in the court of public opinion. We need to hold the media to the same standard.

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Are you implying that all beat cops are "public officials", and all their words should carry the same weight with the press as their bosses?

There are valid reasons for debriefings and investigations prior to "official statements" to the press. It is largely due to LE's need to be accurate, else they get crucified in the court of public opinion. We need to hold the media to the same standard.

If the beat cop does cannot answer the press, then they should say so and leave it at that. But if they do give a statement, it must be assumed that it will be relied upon, unless and until there is further information.

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It does seem, though, that a lot of the press relies on stuff like facebook and twitter, and sources that are completely unreliable.

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Dang. That's a good idea. Call it Liberty Broadcasting.

Call it Conservative News Network. Wouldn't that really screw them up but good. It's time to start messing with them on the left.

 

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If its not "True", its "Fake". If its not "True" it is a "Lie". Repeat a "False information" time and time again, you are a "Liar" Repeat a "Lie" you believe, you are a "Lying Fool". Pretty easy concepts.

 

If something is repeated time and time again, it is a "Trend".

 

This thread is about how many times someone screws you over before you recognize a "trend" and then go "Fake".

 

If we held the medial liable for telling the truth the same as your neighbor, we'd call them a lying SOB,

 

Trust is earned not given especially after being betrayed. Trusting a known liar is foolish.

 

Dang this pre-school crap is hard. (That's sarcasm.)

 

Tj

 

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That isn't fake news. Maybe poor repprtong or getting fa td wrong, but it isn't fake. Why call it that other than to inflame people?

 

How is identifying a weapon used in a crime as an "assault weapon" that is clearly, by definition, NOT an assault weapon

not a lie, and thus fake, false, news ?

 

Words mean things.

Reporting the news accurately depends on using the correct words to relay that news to the public.

Words and their meaning are a reporter's tools of the trade.

Every reporter in the Free World knows that "assault weapons" are a hot button topic, and it should be critical to get it right.

 

For you to be suggesting we give them a pass on this, that it is just "poor reporting" or getting "the facts wrong"

is absurd on its face.

 

Any reporter and his producer, the research staff, and their own fact checkers and legal department that cover these types of crimes

should already have a solid knowledge base to work from, and if their are any doubts verification is a copy of Jane's Defence away.

 

You sound as innocent as a newborn babe who believes these things are still honest mistakes.

It is not as if it was the TV Weatherman was making a comment on a TV segment as he tossed it back to a news reader for a segment on

the shooting. These are professionals who have entire production staffs to be used to be accurate in their reporting, from the street

to the studio.

 

They chose not to be accurate. They lied.

They mold the public's perception by the word's they use to report,

and, just as importantly, what they choose not to report.

 

You are spinning in the wind on this one, G.

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How is identifying a weapon used in a crime as an "assault weapon" that is clearly, by definition, NOT an assault weapon

not a lie, and thus fake, false, news ?

 

Words mean things.

Reporting the news accurately depends on using the correct words to relay that news to the public.

Words and their meaning are a reporter's tools of the trade.

Every reporter in the Free World knows that "assault weapons" are a hot button topic, and it should be critical to get it right.

 

For you to be suggesting we give them a pass on this, that it is just "poor reporting" or getting "the facts wrong"

is absurd on its face.

 

Any reporter and his producer, the research staff, and their own fact checkers and legal department that cover these types of crimes

should already have a solid knowledge base to work from, and if their are any doubts verification is a copy of Jane's Defence away.

 

You sound as innocent as a newborn babe who believes these things are still honest mistakes.

It is not as if it was the TV Weatherman was making a comment on a TV segment as he tossed it back to a news reader for a segment on

the shooting. These are professionals who have entire production staffs to be used to be accurate in their reporting, from the street

to the studio.

 

They chose not to be accurate. They lied.

They mold the public's perception by the word's they use to report,

and, just as importantly, what they choose not to report.

 

You are spinning in the wind on this one, G.

I understand now. Anytime there is a mistake in facts, it's considered fake news. Trumps new word. Any mistake is now a lie in your world.

Any premature report is fake news. That's fine, but let's make sure it's called out on every story, especially on the headlines posted here that aren't accurate. If we are going to call out fake news, lets do it every time.

 

Guess what. Assault weapon is not a hot button issue with everyone. Guns are not at the top of everyone's list. So if a police officer uses the word, he's lying. Right? If a person that was shot at says it was an assault weapon, they are lying, and should be called out on it. Not mistaken, mind you. Lying.

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I understand now. Anytime there is a mistake in facts, it's considered fake news. Trumps new word. Any mistake is now a lie in your world.

Any premature report is fake news. That's fine, but let's make sure it's called out on every story, especially on the headlines posted here that aren't accurate. If we are going to call out fake news, lets do it every time.

 

Guess what. Assault weapon is not a hot button issue with everyone. Guns are not at the top of everyone's list. So if a police officer uses the word, he's lying. Right? If a person that was shot at says it was an assault weapon, they are lying, and should be called out on it. Not mistaken, mind you. Lying.

Seriously? You're back on that misdirected track again?

I already conveyed that if it's not irrefutable, then it's not fact. If they present it as fact and it's not, then it's not a mistake, it's a lie.

Now if they preface the report by saying, "In my opinion..." , "We feel...", or " It would appear...", then it would be accurate and acceptable. However, when they say things like, "According to unnamed sources...", or "Witnesses said...", then I'm suspicious unless they also have footage of someone actually saying it, because they have already shown a propensity for making crap up and claiming that someone said it.

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How is identifying a weapon used in a crime as an "assault weapon" that is clearly, by definition, NOT an assault weapon

not a lie, and thus fake, false, news ?

 

By the way, how do you know it wasn't an assault weapon? Have you personally seen it?

 

Could it have been an assault weapon? The answer is yes, it could have been. People do have them.

 

I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday, as he was drinving home, with an assault weapon in his car. So it is possible.

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Headline..."Breaking news, man drives car through building"

 

What you think happened according to the headline.......a man drove his car into a building possibly going all the way through.

 

Next headline " Car found defective, tranny needs a new tranny"

 

What really happened....Seems the car had a mechanical failure and was not driven into the building. Also found out the driver was not an actual man but a female dressing like a man.

 

The story above is not fake news in my book....just reporting what happened as information was collected.

 

Fake news would have been knowing the man was a woman and that the car was defective and going with the first headline.

 

my 2 cents

 

 

 

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